Wednesday, March 25, 2009

What Jyotish the program considers more precisely?

From: Sabine Stetson <>
Date: 2009/3/25
Subject: [vedic-astrology] Re: What Jyotish the program considers more precisely?


I am using Das Goravani's astrology program for many years. I asked
him about the precision of astrology computer programs,
as discussed in the forum, here is what he wrote and he would like me
to share his answer with all of you:

My dear Jyotish friends,

Hi, Das Goravani here. Author of Goravani Jyotish. I wish to
address briefly the discussion regarding softwares.

The question was accuracy, I believe. To that end let me say the

I entered this field assuming that the calculational part of
astrology was already nailed down fully. I researched and found that
to be the case. In other words, the astronomy portion of it was
already settled. In fact, anyone can get ahold of the complete code
for Jyotish. It takes a little effort, there is no one stop shop for
it, but it can be gathered, as I did it, so I know.

The main planetary algorithms used these days by most or all of the
programs is the code that comes from NASA, the American Space
program, as they do share their planetary code freely. Haven taken
this code, it has been then reworked by many in the field, and resold
by them individually as THEIR Planetary code. In fact, planetary
code is a complex mathematical encyclopedia, and is really locked
down, with occasional tweaks coming out of observations.

OK, then, it gets to you via a programmer who packages it into a
useable Jyotish package by adding the Hindu calculations themselves,
on top of the planetary code.

There are two parts that are questionable to some degree, and that is
the lagna and ayanamsa. Those are harder, and stranger, due to the
shape of the earth, and the latitude issue and how that affects the
tilt of the birth against the zodiac. People born in the North or
far South (more rare by far), are "slanted" to the zodiac at birth.
That's a real issue nobody talks about.

The major programs all calculate close to each other. Why not
exact? Because of the life course of the code each of us has in our
hands. Mine came from a certain source, and was in basic at the
time. It was remade into C for me. My ascendent calc I did myself
from a known source book. My ayanamsa code I got from logic (for
straight line) and from a source for the type that tapes the wobble
into account, not just the tilt, of the earth.

The major programs all calculate closely.

Nobody present is capable of telling you which is more accurate in
terms of calculations.

The only person(s) who could tell you which is more accurate in terms
of planetary longitude on the zodiac is someone who is a genuine
highly educated and accurate in that area of knowledge FOR SURE RIGHT
NOW and that would be a live ASTRONOMER. No astrologer can speak to

Next, in terms of ayanamsa and ascendent, to really discuss that, you
would again need an ASTRONOMER. They hate astrologers, generally.

As for the Hindu calculations in our programs, those are so fixed,
there should be little variation, except in Shad Bala and a few other
areas where interpretation of classical texts comes into play moreso,
and there are some variations of that interpretation. NONE of the
current lot of us programmers are ALSO Sanskrit scholars, so, we rely
on the translations that come at us from BV Raman and others, who
themselves are not perhaps either, the full scholar.

I really wish to urge everyone to admit who/where they are in the
knowledge of exactness when we do raise issues of exactness.

At this point, the programs simply are different, slightly, in
minutes and seconds of arc on the Lagna, planets, ayanamsas, because
of the little things that happen to code as it goes through it's
language journey. You know, the handling of fine decimal numbers,
there are issues there, that cause computers and languages to
calculate slightly differently. Math, with floating point numbers,
is not quite as fixed as we would like. There have been chips in
computers that did things wrong, and languages round differently.

By and by, slowly over time, and this has happened in the base of
this field, in the core codes in these programs, that things get
shifted ever so slightly, and so, over time, this occurs. Another
way to put it is that some core codes have suffered more in their
lifetimes than others, become more rounded off, and it shows up as
minutes and second of arc difference.

I do not think any of the current lot of programmers actually has a
telescope or actually knows astro physics to any degree, astronomy,
etc. Mostly we are entreprenuers who love Hindu/Vedic stuff, got the
code from the astronomy to astrology group that preceded us, put it
into a program, struggle to keep it going, and I don't think any of
us are rich either. PL had a huge cash rich partner in India for
awhile, but that's over from what I heard though it advanced that
program by leaps during that period. Money does that. I passed on
the guy, he came to me first, due to dharmic reasons surrounding the
use of gems.

I think you're barking up the wrong tree. I smell "investing" when I
here "accuracy" to a great degree, and I have to say, what is fixed
is, and you will win or not, so keep going, in your karma, because
there are so many things you cannot control, just add this to the
pile, because your interpretations are gonna be, by human reality, so
widely wrong from the truth, that harping on accuracy now is silly.

This same applies to people readers. You don't need total accuracy.
To think so is very skewed.

Trust me, when I or any other programs, NONE of us TRY to be sloppy.
In fact, we TRY hard to be accurate, as could be, WITH THE MATERIAL

All in all, my conclusion, keep the right perspective. This is a non
exact science, one of half heart and half logic.

We cannot do this fully, as that would be to know ALL. It's
impossible. ALL is in the ONE and we are in it and it is all there
is here, and it is all inter twined, which is why we can read it, but
ALL of it is readable, not just the planets on the zodiac, but that
is what we've nailed so far, or been given, as you believe, as you
like. That's where we are.

Keep perspective.


Hari Om

Das Goravani

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Das Goravani


We dont see things as they are, we see things as we are.
Anais Nin

Monday, March 16, 2009

Interesting News Article on Saturn sthalapurana

|| Om gurave namah ||
Dear Jyotishas,
Here is an interesting writeup, This temple specifically keeps two son's of Shanaischara i.e Maandi and Gulika.
Warm Regards
Sanjay P

"Planet none can afford to ignore

The temple of Lord Ramanathaswami at Thirunaraiyur (Nachiarkoil) near Kumbakonam has a famous shrine for Sanaischaran or Saneeswaran, which is thronged by devotees on Saturdays, writes T. A. SRINIVASAN.

Lord Sanaischaran with Consorts Mandhadevi and Jyeshtadevi and sons Maandhi and Kuligan.

THIRUNARAIYUR OR Nachiarkoil is well known as one of the 108 Vaishnavite Divyadesams, sanctified by Thirumangai Azhwar in 110 verses in his "Periya Thirumozhi" and for its Kal (stone) Garuda Sevai. But it also houses two famous Siva temples. One of them is Siddheswaram, where Lord Siva, known as Siddhanathaswami, is enshrined and the other is the temple for Ramanathaswami, the presiding deity in the island temple at Rameswaram.

The Siddhanathaswami temple is a "Paadal Petra Sthalam" as Thirugnanasambandar and Sundaramurthi Nayanar have sung the glory of the Lord. The Ramanathaswami Temple is more popular for its shrine of Sanaischaran (one who moves slowly), erroneously called Saneeswaran, according to some scholars, with his two wives and two sons.

Situated on the Kumbakonam-Tiruvarur bus route, eight km from Kumbakonam, Thirunaraiyur Ramanathaswami Temple lies between Siddheswaram Siva temple and Thirunaraiyur Nambi (Nachiarkoil) temple. All buses from Kumbakonam to Tiruvarur, Koradacheri, Nannilam, Nagapattinam, Eravancheri and Tiruvidaicheri pass through Thirunaraiyur.

According to legend when King Dasaratha ruled the entire world, Saturn was to pass through Rohini star after staying in Krithigai, on one occasion. Sage Vasishta and others told Dasaratha that if Saturn did so it would spell doom for the world. There would be famine everywhere for 12 years and animals and human beings would be put to much hardship. He requested Dasaratha to prevent it. Dasaratha immediately got into his fast-moving chariot, carrying all Divine weapons and reached the star, Rohini. He saw Saturn moving in his golden chariot towards Rohini and sent the Divine weapons including the "Samhara Asthram" towards him.

The Ramanathaswami Temple ... with renovation work having been taken up, it should soon sport a spruced up look.

Saturn, laughing at the king's futile attempts, told him that He could destroy anybody by His mere look. The powers that Dasaratha had got through severe penance, austerity and Divine grace prevented Saturn from eliminating him. Dasaratha requested Saturn not to pass through Rohini and thus spare the world from experiencing famine for 12 years. Saturn was immensely pleased with the king's concern for the welfare of his subjects and granted the two requests. He also told him that if he visited Thirunaraiyur and bathed in the tank there he would appear before him. Dasaratha did accordingly and Saturn appeared before him. Saturn or Sanaischaran, born to Chayadevi and Suryan (Sun God), takes 30 years to go round the Sun and hence he is called a slow mover. He takes two and a half years to move from one zodiac sign to another. As Thirunaraiyur is the place where He appeared before Dasaratha, it is considered to be an important place of Saturn worship. It is said that in no other place, including the more famous Thirunallar temple, is He worshipped along with his two wives, Mandhadevi and Jyeshtadevi (also known as Neeladevi) and his two sons, Maandhi and Kuligan. According to the sthalapuranam, Lord Rama and Anjaneya, during their return from Lanka to Ayodhya, visited this place.

Saturn is said to go round the legendary Meru Parvatham everyday and embrace it. He was born on a Saturday with Rohini as His birth star. He rides a vehicle pulled by the eagle and carries a bow, an arrow, trishul and gatha in his four hands. He is fond of stotras praising him and the food most liked by Him is rice mixed with gingelly, coconut and jaggery.

A lamp with gingelly seeds, tied in a new cloth and kept in gingelly oil, is lit before him. He likes flowers, dress and other things in blue colour.

She is known by the same name as in Rameswaram ... Parvadhavardhini Ambal.

Though a sub-shrine of the Ramanathaswami temple in Thirunaraiyur, which is also called as Saneeswarar Thirukkoil, Saturn's abode here has separate Dhwajasthambam, Balipeetam and the crow mount in front of it. The sthalavriksham is "erukku" and the holy water source is known as Rama Theertham. The temple is agog with activity on Saturdays and during the Gurupeyarchi and Sanipeyarchi.

The presiding deity in the main temple is Ramanathaswami, facing east, and it is considered to be as holy as the one in Rameswaram. Many devotees who are unable to visit Rameswaram, make their offerings to the Lord here.

The Goddess here, as in Rameswaram, is known as Parvathavardhini and Her shrine faces south. Medha Dakshinamoorthy is enshrined on the southern side and His idol is one of enchanting beauty. On the southwest side is the shrine of Vinayaka while Subramania, with His two Consorts, Valli and Devasena, is worshipped in the shrine on the other side.

Lord Ramanathaswami ... the Moolavar inside the sanctum sanctorum.

There are also shrines for Gajalakshmi, Hanumantha Lingam, Annamalaiyar, Brahma, Durgadevi and Chadikeswarar. There is a separate shrine for Navagrahas with the Sun at the centre with his two Consorts, Ushadevi and Prathyushadevi, which is said to be a rarity. The other eight grahas are found around Sun.

The great temple, which is under the control of the HR and CE Department, is being renovated. The Balalayam was set up on June 5, this year. The kumbabhishekam is planned for January next year.

Contributions may be sent to the Executive Officer, Ramanathaswami Temple, Nachiarkoil-612602 and further particulars can be had from N. Shanmugam, phone number 0435— 2476411/2476157.

Brihaspati Gayatri, Vishwamitra/Gaathina Rishi Rig Veda 6.62.6